#100 — Sales over PLG: The Retool story
August 2, 2025•5 min read

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Why it matters: In an era where most startups burn through VC cash chasing product-led growth, Retool CEO David Hsu built a unicorn by doing the opposite — prioritizing sales conversations over viral loops and sustainable growth over hypergrowth.
By the numbers
- $93.5M ARR in 2023
- 500,000+ customers including DoorDash and Mercedes-Benz
- $3.2B valuation after just 5 years
- Cash flow positive while scaling rapidly
- 8% cold email conversion rate through relentless optimization
The contrarian playbook
Sales over PLG: While competitors chased product-led growth, Hsu spent the early days personally calling every user who hit an error. "PLG is super dangerous before you know you have product-market fit," he told Acquired podcast hosts.
The reality check: Hsu's philosophy background shaped his obsession with understanding "reality" — what customers actually want versus what founders think they want.
"Sales is the best way to get a grip on reality. If they don't like your product, they will tell you exactly why."
Stay lean, stay alive: Retool reached millions in ARR with just 5-10 people by following the "default alive" principle — growing revenue faster than expenses without massive team scaling.
The tactical playbook
Phase 1: Early customer discovery (0-$500K ARR)
Customer acquisition methodology:
- Scraped Crunchbase for 10,000 recently-funded companies
- Hired Upwork freelancers to find contact details for 40,000 executives
- Achieved 8% conversion rate through relentless A/B testing of email copy
- Never quoted prices via email to maintain negotiation leverage
Pricing strategy:
- Started high ($2K/month) and negotiated down based on reactions
- Used progressive pricing discovery: quote high, observe reaction, adjust
- Recently lowered prices to prioritize usage over short-term revenue
Customer success obsession:
- Built "Big Fish Swimming" alerts for when large accounts used the product
- Created error monitoring that triggered immediate customer outreach
- Maintained shared Slack channels with customers for real-time debugging
- Watched every user session through analytics integration
Phase 2: Finding product-market fit ($500K-$2M ARR)
Messaging evolution:
- Started with "Excel-like with higher order primitives" (failed)
- Pivoted to "fast way to build internal software" (succeeded)
- Discovered target: CTOs/VPEs at fast-growing operationally-heavy companies
Product development approach:
- Built features overnight for early customers who couldn't use the product
- Added API connectivity after customer feedback, despite initial hesitation
- Focused on solving 50-70% of internal tool needs with drag-and-drop interface
Phase 3: Sustainable scaling ($2M+ ARR)
The sovereignty principle: Remained cash flow positive to maintain decision-making independence. Hsu: "If you start burning a lot of money, you become basically beholden to VCs because it's very hard to reverse the sudden burning of a lot of cash."
Growth mechanics:
- Leveraged high Net Dollar Retention (NDR) for compound growth
- 80% of customers come from self-serve motion
- Account executives focused on converting and expanding self-serve users
Advanced strategic moves
The pricing gambit
In 2023, Retool made the counterintuitive decision to lower prices for existing customers, sending emails saying "your bill is now lower". Hsu's reasoning: "We care more about, can we genuinely change the trajectory of how software is being built today in the world, rather than, can we maximize our revenue in 2023?"
Multi-product expansion
Following the AWS playbook, Retool launched four product lines in 12 months:
- Retool DB (backend storage)
- Workflows (backend logic)
- Mobile (mobile front-ends)
- Core platform (internal tool builder)
Brand marketing at scale
- Invested months in viral content (Visual Basic history post)
- Created educational content about enterprise software (SAP, Salesforce explainers)
- Focused on developer awareness through content that "has nothing to do with Retool"
The philosophical foundation
Reality-obsessed thinking: Hsu's philosophy degree instilled an obsession with understanding objective reality versus perceived reality. This drove every decision from customer discovery to product development.
Three critical decisions per year: Hsu believes founders make roughly three truly important decisions annually, with most daily choices being low-impact. The key is staying close enough to the business to recognize these moments.
The community moat
Developer network effects:
- Launched public community in May 2021
- Created exclusive Slack group for power users with early beta access
- Built Retool University for comprehensive training
- Established marketplace connecting companies with qualified developers
- Offered up to $200,000 in startup credits and partner perks
What's next
Retool is betting big on becoming the infrastructure for software development — aiming for AWS-level scale across multiple product lines while maintaining their contrarian approach to sustainable growth.
The bottom line: In a market obsessed with growth-at-all-costs, Retool proved that talking to customers and building sustainably can create massive outcomes. For founders drowning in PLG conventional wisdom, Hsu's playbook offers a refreshing alternative that prioritizes long-term value creation over short-term metrics.
The 9 commandments for founders
- Be default alive - Grow revenue faster than expenses
- Sales-first before PMF - PLG only works after you find product-market fit
- Language-market fit matters - Messaging pivots are as important as product pivots
- Stay lean as long as possible - Small teams create natural burn constraints
- Price high, negotiate down - Never quote prices via email
- Obsess over early customer success - Monitor every user session
- Content marketing creates awareness - Invest in brand before performance
- Community creates moats - Developer networks compound over time
- Sacrifice short-term revenue for long-term usage - When the TAM is massive enough
Frequently asked questions
How does a sales-first approach find product-market fit faster than product-led growth (PLG)?
A sales-first approach provides direct, unfiltered feedback crucial for startups before achieving product-market fit (PMF). While PLG relies on interpreting user data, direct sales conversations force you to confront market realities. For instance, when Retool's initial messaging failed, a cold email to Rappi's CTO positioning the product as a 'fast way to build internal tools' secured an immediate demo request, validating both the new messaging and their ideal customer profile (ICP). This direct interaction reveals precisely why customers are not buying, enabling rapid pivots in messaging and market focus that analytics alone cannot provide.
What specific outbound sales tactics did Retool use to acquire its first enterprise customers?
Retool systematically targeted recently funded companies, identifying them as prime candidates needing to build new internal tools. The team scraped Crunchbase for 10,000 such companies, then hired freelancers on Upwork to find contact information for 40,000 executives like CTOs and VPs of Engineering. Using a sales automation tool, they conducted relentless A/B testing on their email copy, achieving an impressive 8% conversion rate. This strategy generated 2,400 interested leads and resulted in a $1.5M enterprise pilot contract even before their YC Demo Day.
What was Retool's early pricing strategy and why did they later lower it for existing customers?
Initially, Retool employed a 'progressive price discovery' strategy. Founder David Hsu would quote a high price, such as $2,000 per month, during sales calls and adjust based on the customer's reaction, a tactic that helped gauge market price sensitivity. To maintain negotiation leverage, prices were never quoted over email. In a counterintuitive move, Retool later lowered its prices to prioritize long-term user growth and adoption over short-term revenue. This decision, made possible by the company's cash-flow positive status, was aimed at stimulating word-of-mouth marketing and solidifying their market leadership.
How can a startup stay 'default alive' and achieve sustainable scaling like Retool?
The key to being 'default alive' is to ensure revenue grows significantly faster than expenses, especially headcount, during the early stages. Retool focused on securing millions in Annual Recurring Revenue (ARR) with a lean team of just 5-10 people. By achieving and maintaining cash-flow positivity, Retool preserved its operational sovereignty, giving it the flexibility to make long-term strategic decisions—such as lowering prices—without being beholden to venture capital pressure for immediate financial returns. This disciplined approach helps startups avoid a high-burn-rate trap that can be difficult to escape.
How did Retool's proactive customer support create strong loyalty among early adopters?
Retool's approach to customer support was highly proactive, effectively 'spying' on its early users to anticipate their needs. They developed internal tools, including a 'Big Fish Swimming' alert system, that notified the team via Slack whenever a major account was active or encountered an error. Team members would then immediately call the customer—often before the user was even aware of an issue—and offer real-time debugging assistance. This exceptional level of service turned potential technical frustrations into moments that built significant trust and loyalty, fueling powerful word-of-mouth growth.
Why is 'language-market fit' as critical as product-market fit, and how did Retool find it?
Finding the right language to describe your product is as crucial as building the right product itself. Retool's initial messaging—'Excel-like with higher-order primitives'—failed because the target audience didn't understand it. After an attempt to target FileMaker developers also failed, Retool pivoted its messaging, not its product. The breakthrough occurred when they began positioning Retool as a 'fast way to build internal tools' to CTOs at fast-growing, operationally intensive companies like Rappi. This change in language resonated with the correct audience's pain points and was instrumental in unlocking the company's initial growth.
What were the tangible benefits of Retool's community-led growth strategy?
Building a strong developer community creates a defensible competitive moat that compounds over time. For Retool, its community forum and exclusive Slack groups function as a scalable customer support system, with developers assisting each other in solving problems. This ecosystem also establishes a powerful feedback loop for the product team, as power users gain early access to beta features and provide invaluable insights. Ultimately, this strategy drives organic growth through network effects and a developer marketplace that connects companies with skilled Retool builders, fostering a robust ecosystem around the product.
How did Retool use case studies like DoorDash and Rappi to validate their model?
Early success with high-growth companies like Rappi and DoorDash served as powerful validation for Retool's value proposition. The Rappi case began with a single cold email that led to an immediate demo request, signaling strong language-market fit with CTOs at operationally complex companies. For DoorDash, Retool became an essential tool for their internal operations, demonstrating the platform's ability to scale and meet the demands of a major enterprise. These real-world examples provided social proof that Retool could solve significant pain points for fast-growing tech companies, which was critical for attracting further enterprise clients.
How does a sales-first approach find product-market fit faster than product-led growth (PLG)?
A sales-first approach provides direct, unfiltered feedback crucial for startups before achieving product-market fit (PMF). While PLG relies on interpreting user data, direct sales conversations force you to confront market realities. For instance, when Retool's initial messaging failed, a cold email to Rappi's CTO positioning the product as a 'fast way to build internal tools' secured an immediate demo request, validating both the new messaging and their ideal customer profile (ICP). This direct interaction reveals precisely why customers are not buying, enabling rapid pivots in messaging and market focus that analytics alone cannot provide.
What are the signs a startup is confusing early traction with true product-market fit?
Many founders mistake early sales growth for product-market fit, but true fit is about long-term retention and expansion, not just initial acquisition. A key sign of true fit is when customers would be significantly impacted if your product disappeared—a metric you can test by asking them directly. Retool focused on getting to '100 happy customers' who were deeply engaged, rather than just chasing top-of-funnel signups. This deep reliance, combined with high Net Dollar Retention (NDR), indicates you are solving a lasting problem, not just benefiting from temporary curiosity.
How should a startup choose between a product-led (PLG) and sales-led growth (SLG) model?
The choice depends on your product, user, and deal size. PLG works best for intuitive, self-serve products with viral potential, where users can buy without talking to a salesperson, typically at a lower price point. Retool deliberately chose a sales-first approach because, before PMF, direct conversations were essential for understanding customer reality. Only after validating the market with sales did they layer in a self-serve motion, which now accounts for 80% of their customers.
Why is 'language-market fit' as critical as product-market fit, and how did Retool find it?
Finding the right language to describe your product is as crucial as building the right product. Retool's initial messaging—'Excel-like with higher-order primitives'—failed because the target audience didn't understand it. After an attempt to target FileMaker developers also failed, Retool pivoted its messaging, not its product. The breakthrough occurred when they began positioning Retool as a 'fast way to build internal tools' to CTOs at fast-growing, operationally intensive companies like Rappi. This change in language resonated with the correct audience's pain points and was instrumental in unlocking growth.
What specific outbound sales tactics did Retool use to acquire its first enterprise customers?
Retool systematically targeted recently funded companies, identifying them as prime candidates needing to build new internal tools. The team scraped Crunchbase for 10,000 such companies, then hired freelancers on Upwork to find contact information for 40,000 executives like CTOs and VPs of Engineering. Using a sales automation tool, they conducted relentless A/B testing on their email copy, achieving an impressive 8% conversion rate. This strategy generated 2,400 interested leads and resulted in a $1.5M enterprise pilot contract even before their YC Demo Day.
What was Retool's early pricing strategy and why did they later lower it for existing customers?
Initially, Retool employed a 'progressive price discovery' strategy. Founder David Hsu would quote a high price, such as $2,000 per month, during sales calls and adjust based on the customer's reaction to gauge market price sensitivity. To maintain negotiation leverage, prices were never quoted over email. In a counterintuitive move made possible by its cash-flow positive status, Retool later lowered its prices to prioritize long-term user adoption and word-of-mouth growth over short-term revenue, aiming to solidify its market leadership.
How can a startup stay 'default alive' and achieve sustainable scaling like Retool?
To be 'default alive,' revenue must grow significantly faster than expenses, particularly headcount, in the early stages. Retool secured millions in Annual Recurring Revenue (ARR) with a lean team of just 5-10 people. By achieving and maintaining cash-flow positivity, Retool preserved its operational sovereignty. This gave it the flexibility to make long-term strategic decisions—such as lowering prices—without being beholden to venture capital pressure for immediate financial returns, avoiding a high-burn-rate trap.
What is Net Dollar Retention (NDR) and why is it crucial for sustainable growth?
Net Dollar Retention (NDR) measures the change in revenue from your existing customers over a year. An NDR over 100% signifies that your current customers are increasing their spending, which generates organic growth. For Retool, achieving high NDR was a core component of its 'default alive' strategy. It provided a powerful tailwind, enabling the company to expand its revenue without proportionally increasing its headcount or cash burn, thereby maintaining profitability and strategic independence while scaling.
How did Retool's proactive customer support create strong loyalty among early adopters?
Retool's support was intensely proactive, essentially 'spying' on its early users to anticipate their needs. They built internal tools, like a 'Big Fish Swimming' alert, that notified the team on Slack whenever a major account was active or hit an error. Team members would then immediately call the customer—often before the user was aware of an issue—to offer real-time debugging. This exceptional service turned technical frustrations into moments that built immense trust and loyalty, fueling powerful word-of-mouth growth.
What were the tangible benefits of Retool's community-led growth strategy?
Building a developer community creates a defensible competitive moat that compounds over time. For Retool, its community forum and exclusive Slack groups act as a scalable customer support system, with developers assisting one another. This ecosystem also provides a powerful feedback loop for the product team, as power users gain early access to beta features and offer invaluable insights. Ultimately, this strategy drives organic growth through network effects and a developer marketplace connecting companies with skilled Retool builders.
How did Retool use case studies like DoorDash and Rappi to validate their model?
Early success with high-growth companies like Rappi and DoorDash served as powerful validation for Retool's value proposition. The Rappi case began with a single cold email that led to an immediate demo request, signaling strong language-market fit with CTOs at operationally complex companies. For DoorDash, Retool became an essential tool for internal operations, proving the platform could scale to meet enterprise demands. These real-world examples provided the social proof needed to attract other major clients.
How does a multi-product strategy, like Retool's, help a startup scale like AWS?
A multi-product strategy allows a startup to solve more customer problems, dramatically increasing its Total Addressable Market (TAM). Similar to AWS, which began with S3 and EC2 before expanding, Retool started with its core internal tool builder and then launched complementary products like Retool DB (backend), Workflows (logic), and Mobile. This approach creates stacked revenue growth over time, transforming the company from a single-point solution into a platform and deepening its competitive moat and customer relationships.
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